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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:55:00 -
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 Originally by: CCP Manifest
Soundwave will NOT be fired nor should he. I personally would not like to see one of the driving forces behind the Alliance Tournament and the spiritual leader of Team BFF take a fall for agreeing to present one opposing side of the microtransaction debate in an internal newsletter.
I agree he doesn't have to be sacrificed. However, you are in a situation where your game designer has publicly (intentionally or not) stated that his idea of EVE is the diametric opposite of what your customers are paying for, that he doesn't care that your customers disagree with his plans, and that your customers are merely the goose that keeps laying golden eggs and can be milked for as much cash as you want. If you think that having this person in any position relevant to EVE is going to work, you're either completely, totally nucking futs, or a politician. Nobody will trust you with anything as long as he is involved with game design no matter what you do, not even if you continue on the road that many of us don't want: There's still that he insulted your paying customers, and you don't get away with that sort of thing. Let him work on WoD or Dust and hope those potential customers don't find out, but remove him from any position with power over EVE or you will lose the customers he has insulted.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Los Quinton
The most epic thing to happen now is CCP come on and tell us:
"Too many people are upset. We apoligze. For our punishment, we will close Eve permanantly and not make any more money from it. Sorry!"
Likely also the smartest thing.
Before the cashflow eats too deep.
It would also mean they would get to keep the money that people paid for subscriptions and PLEXes while not having to provide any service in return, so it could save the personal wallets of the company owners...
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Aineko Macx
Dear anonymous CCP employee that leaked the bulletin: You care more about your customers than the board of directors. Taking risk upon yourself, you brought us the truth, and shall thus be considered a hero!
The board of directors is full of people who are interested in making money from CCP for their employer, the companies that funded CCP. Nothing special about that either but don't expect them to care very much about players if they can make more money without them (or make themselves believe they can).
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.24 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Did they hide it even more with the new frontend, hoping some poor souls keep paying kind of against their will?
The opposite actually, it's in the game time menu.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.24 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Alexingeras
Lol hybrids can't even track the monument.
You win
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Tacky much? And if I'm not mistaken, "he" is a "she".
Yes. Also, that family emergency is the most plausible thing that has come out of CCP in the past few days. Want to blame someone, blame the rest of CCP for not stepping in.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:00:00 -
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Free Helicity Boson
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Madcapnl
Slowly approaching 1 millions views.
It seems we care. If only CCP would care as much.......
Yeah, even spamming dev blogs about doubling our ISK would be a good thing by now.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/06/25/1847248/EVE-Online-Players-Rage-Protest-Over-Microtransactions
Top story on slashdot.
Way to not respond soon enough CCP.
They probably thought that they'd have at least a week, given slashdot's usual lag...
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Teinyhr
Dear Miilla, I believe I speak for all of us when I say: Nobody cares about you.
Actually... since you want to speak for all of us... one of my alts used to live in Rens and you know how it is, you do grow attached to what makes home feel like home...
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Smeedly
The best thing you can do to save eve is unsub! If you're not unsubbed you're not doing your best to get through to CCP!
The best thing is you remain a paying customer until your subscription actually ends so you still get to complain! And all this for free! :P
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xanonius
This is almost like burning down your house, because they only send bad programs on television.
It's more like moving to another house because the view out the window consists of a brothel and a homeless guy trying to do a Sinatra impersonation.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholi Onformaris
People that are leaving should give Perpetuum Online a try.
Hundreds of players that have quit over this are in the perpetuum ingame channel EVE. It is a fun game and we have already formed up a corporation in the game, New Eden Exiles.
http://www.perpetuum-online.com/
Buy a year's worth of subscription for the cost of one monocle in EVE :P
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Patches Donnarblizen
Did I get that right?
The main owners of eve are just a bunch of f***heads that ripped the people of iceland for their hard owned money?
Well yes, but to be fair, think of CCP as being among the ones that got ripped off...
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
But seriously, who would you rather owned CCP - another games company, or a venture capitalist who knows nothing about games?
I'm tempted to agree. I do think it's funny though that we're now arguing that SOE would be better than current leadership ;-)
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Angeliq
Like if this rumor is true the NDA would've allowed them to admit it. Most likely if this rumor is true, somewhere in the NDA is clearly specified that if this info leaks, there will be IMEDIATE denial of such thing.
Actually they would not be allowed to comment on it at all. Sony is publicly traded in the US and the usual rules apply. However, not every employee would know about it in the first place.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsy RoseLee
Lets get something straight: There is a miles wide difference between "we don't plan to sell 'gold ammo' for Aurum" and what the players want to hear which is "we will NEVER sell 'gold ammo' for Aurum"
The main problem is we know they had plans for ships for aurum, so we already know ships aren't covered by that statement.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Prince of Nigeria
Now you're just being pedantic.
No he's not. The ship for aurum plans have been confirmed previously. If they never had "gold ammo" plans, that means ships aren't covered by gold ammo.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Laird MacNaught
I think that we have all made our point that we are concerned where the game is seemingly headed.
Apparently not because there is one very simple big yellow question in this thread, and he sidestepped it again. Against the CSM's suggestion of using different wording than "gold ammo".
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
So with my 20 billion worth of PLEX; they're just going to roll over and hand me a refund for 4 years gametime LOL. Wouldn't that be nice (for PLEX stockpilers).
They'll just say you paid in PLEX so they'll refund in PLEX, now enjoy your five remaining days and your load of PLEX :P
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: KosmikZA
Very different target markets though. Eve relies on older players and internal economy where BF:Heroes is instant gratification, minimal attention span and zero economy.
You can keep telling yourself that while they're busy changing EVE so it suits the other, bigger target market.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Steven internet
What comes into CQ. I, like many many others, play this game to fly spaceships killing spaceships while in space. If I would like to pimp my avatar, shake my virtual ass, walk, run, pose, chat, have a haircut or find a e-GF I would play some OTHER game.
This is the player side. The CCP side of it is that they capitalize almost all of their dev expenses, i.e. salaries they pay to devs go into assets because the devs wrote code that has value estimated at the cost of developing it. If they then figure out that they won't actually make money of this code, they have to write it off, resulting in a huge red number on a balance sheet as assets go poof. Losing tens of millions of dollars doesn't look good but if they can fudge some of the Dust/WoD work into EVE they don't have to do it.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Stormchyld
... there are several good threads in the Market Discussion forum section that I think sums up the financial situation eve is in right now.
Unfortunately the one you quoted doesn't get it.
CCP itself lists PLEXes as a liability as they are revenue they can not recognize until the subscription period actually starts. It's not something people are presenting it as, it's something that CCP does so they can put them on their balance sheet at all. The term "liability" doesn't actually have a negative connotation in that context. It's standard practice for subscriptions that are paid up front.
And they are considering the income split, or more accurately they don't have to in terms of liability. When you credit a PLEX to your account they can start recognizing the revenue from when it was originally bought, therefore reducing liabilities in their balance sheet.
They only problem they could have with PLEXes is the reduction in cash flow, but that is capped at $3 million in total, and applying all of it in short time is near impossible. You would need about 200k normally paid subscriptions to pay with a PLEX for the same month. Not going to happen.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: RougeOperator
If a lot are cashed in all at once, they could find they are not making enough new money at that point to cover expenses.
They are already not making enough new money to cover their expenses. The PLEXes in existance are a lot less and even if you wanted to hurt CCP it would be borderline impossible to use them in a way that has an impact beyond a few $10k per month. They are already burning $700k or so per month due to WoD/Dust development so PLEXes are not a very big deal.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Why is this on second page?... Where is the RAGE?
That'll invariably come back next week no matter what they do. 
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Viking Sven
CSM are bound by a nondisclosure agreement. If they did this, the CSM could be legally held liable for any damages that resulted to CCP.
They can still quit and sell their chars on the forums... last time the community didn't take the hint though.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Faelune
Yeaaa!!! Soon we can purchase a Death Star!!!
I would MT something that makes my Ibis look like a huge Death Star.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.29 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Goodluvins
I have DEV CALVIN and GM MENELITH confirm with promises that MT will NEVER be introduced into Perpetuum.
You found their dev blog about robot paint yet?
It's probably safe to say though that their model translated to EVE wouldn't have generated a ragestorm.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.29 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Saving Face on 29/06/2011 10:16:41
Originally by: 1600 RT
is perpetuum a good game?
It's very similar to EVE as it was a few years ago, but a smaller world and tiny server population (until we arrived). Oh and robots instead of spaceships (including terrain that has meaning in PvP). If you want to try another sandbox game I can only recommend it. It will take a few days to get through to it because it's no bit easier than starting EVE from scratch. The 14 days of trial you get should be enough to get an idea.
Currently they're having a bit of trouble with lag from all the noobs. I don't know when they will have fixed that but they run an IRC server where you can talk to the devs in case you can not talk to them in game for some reason.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.29 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: Saving Face on 29/06/2011 10:54:48
Even WoW is going F2P (below level 20): http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/28/world-of-warcrafts-rage-of-the-firelands-brings-indefinite-free/
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.29 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Genie ExTS
ARE YOU GOING TO INTRODUCE NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE NEX MARKET?
Not answered, but easy to figure out.
They will release Dust as f2p with mt next year. If it goes well, they'll understand that to mean that mt and pay2win is the way to go. If it doesn't go so well, CCP goes **** up anyway over not being able to recoup Dust development expenses, so there's still no way we will not get non-vanity items.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Londo Cebb
This is not going away.
Why would it go away? Forum PVP is much less load on the GPU than walking around in a closet.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:03:00 -
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It was one simple question... fail CSM is fail.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:57:00 -
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LOUD PASSIONATE BUTTHURT sounds like a great corp name.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.07.01 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Graava
BTW you can spin your robot to your hearts content 
Well, you can spin a transparent blue hologram of your robot.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Zander
let's hear the CSM statement tonight or tomorrow...
i am really curious what they are going to tell us after all these errors...
From what I understand it's pretty much going to be "lol"~
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